tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post5089649523268246409..comments2022-03-24T13:42:41.466-04:00Comments on RPG dumping ground: 4th Edition is just like WoWMark Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13648399258393669436noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-41140255750199521232009-12-21T17:38:06.554-05:002009-12-21T17:38:06.554-05:00@Anonymous: Well, It`s not my intention to offend ...@Anonymous: Well, It`s not my intention to offend anybody, but only to express my opinion about the 4th Edition system. Of course you can make a great roleplaying game with 4th Edition. Actually, you can make a great roleplaying game with any system. You can even roleplay chess, given time and effort. But the rules of 4th Edition, if played to the core, stray away a lot from roleplay. I know this has been discussed a lot of times, but there are rules for playing without a DM, rules saying that clerics cannot loose their powers, or that players can demand magical items from the DM. Of course, those rules can be ignored, witch I believe you do - but they are ever present throughout the system conception. If I was to play the 4th Edition, I would have to ignore them. But, at least to me, I would not be really roleplaying the 4th Edition - because those rules belong to the "essence" of the way the system was conceived. What I mean, in the end, is that you can play 4th Edition with substance - but that substance does not come from the system, but from the players, and the way they use some of the parts of this system.<br /><br />By the way, I`m not a 3rd Edition player. I never was. And you should not imply that someone plays the 3rd Edition just because it criticises the 4th Edition. Neither should you imply that someones is a bad player because it plays the 3rd Edition. Even though I do not believe the 4th Edition to be good, it doesn`t mean that people who likes to play it are necessarily bad players, that, as you said, does not deserve to be played with.Wilson Theodorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04259436264274473204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-52564229269070045362009-12-19T10:16:23.090-05:002009-12-19T10:16:23.090-05:00@Marshall - Interesting project. You happen to kno...@Marshall - Interesting project. You happen to know the title of the book?<br /><br />@anonynos - You're right, there's a possibility of drawing unwanted attention, or turning off people tired of the conflict. I expected a certain amount of negativity in comments. However I also wanted to draw in exactly the sort of people who would debate the title's subject and give them an alternate viewpoint. I only hope the combatants take the time to read and think about what I've written rather than just flaming out about it. Time will tell.Mark Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13648399258393669436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-70277570803405589022009-12-19T09:51:47.541-05:002009-12-19T09:51:47.541-05:00I can't help but feel that if you truely wante...I can't help but feel that if you truely wanted to "avoid the usual discussions brought on by my inflammatory title" you'd have not used it. I kow that when I saw it in the blog list on RPGBN I sighed and said "Not agian". It'll certianly get attention, but it's not necesarily the attention you want... and it's also possible you'll just cause people who are tired of the arguement (on either side) to skip your blog and not see what is otherwise a reasonable article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-63035865887359175782009-12-19T09:25:00.519-05:002009-12-19T09:25:00.519-05:00Incidentally, there is also at least one book doin...Incidentally, there is also at least one book doing WoW to d20 conversion of monsters. One of my friends contributed to it. She said it was really weird to be tromping along in WoW and run into a beastie she'd invented.<br /><br />But, I do agree with your basic premise. I've also looked at the naming conventions of Diablo as a cool way to describe relatively mundane magic items with descriptive terms (avoiding the dreaded "+1 longsword" label in the magic shop).Marshall Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15647111558095583028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-70407402084603540582009-12-19T08:14:16.764-05:002009-12-19T08:14:16.764-05:00I was hoping to avoid the usual discussions brough...I was hoping to avoid the usual discussions brought on by my inflammatory title, but realized it was probably a lost cause. :)<br /><br />Thanks for linking to the armory. I should have mentioned some of the other sites out there (like http://thottbot.com/ for WoW or http://www.zam.com/ most MMOs).Mark Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13648399258393669436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-51476143242859441672009-12-18T23:35:13.465-05:002009-12-18T23:35:13.465-05:00Heh, the first two posters seem to have basically ...Heh, the first two posters seem to have basically ignored the first paragraph here. I think you have a great idea here - and one that I will definitely use to add interesting ideas to my game (whatever game it is). The Wow website also has an Armory which has all of the items, if that's what you're looking for:<br />http://www.wowarmory.com/Jeremy Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17072164588443858336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-84101312348478410042009-12-18T19:02:28.015-05:002009-12-18T19:02:28.015-05:00If you think 4e has "less substance and rolep...If you think 4e has "less substance and roleplay" than WoW does, you're doing it wrong. I play WoW, and I play 4e. Comments like the above are just hyperbole, intended to do little more than drag someone else's game of choice through the mud because of some (usually inaccurately) perceived slight or flaw in the system.<br /><br />It always seems that the hangers-on to 3rd Edition are far more prone to this sort of behavior, and it serves to set my mind at ease that the typical person still playing 3rd Edition isn't the sort of person I'd really prefer to game with, given a choice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5194689233232773644.post-65195807873161310602009-12-18T13:59:31.779-05:002009-12-18T13:59:31.779-05:00Well, the 4th Edition is WoW - with less substance...Well, the 4th Edition is WoW - with less substance and roleplay in it. Anyways, I agree with you - there are many ideas in MMORPGs that can be borrowed for a tabletop game.Wilson Theodorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04259436264274473204noreply@blogger.com